The Perdix Fire Company is barred from fighting fires in Penn Township since its officials cut ties with the volunteer company in January 2010 after decades of bickering, according to Pennlive.com.
The Thursday morning blaze was only half a mile from the Perdix fire station.
Duncannon Borough City Fire Chief Byron Worner claims that a fire unit had arrived on the scene in three or four minutes after the first call, despite the homeowner, Karen Taschek, saying she waited 20 to 30 minutes for the first firefighters to arrive.
PennLive.com reports that Chief Worner said the house was so far gone that "it wouldn't have mattered" even if Perdix firefighters were able to help.
Perdix Fire Company Deputy Chief Monte Supko disagreed, saying he had firefighters waiting on the scene doing nothing.
"We had about six-seven firefighters standing down there watching the place burn and we couldn't do nothing about it, because of actions of a few," he said.
Taschek and her daughter were unharmed in the blaze, but their family dog died. The cause of the fire is under investigation.
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Tim PritchardFriday, September 07, 2012 3:17:26 PMSounds to me like those guys aren't really firefighters at all. We do the job regardless. I say this next part thinking the ones that were on scene had what they needed to do the job. NO FIREFIGHTER THAT I KNOW WOULD STAND BY AND WATCH A PERSONS HOME BURN!!! They would do the job and take what ever consequences came. They should all be arrested for standing by with all they needed to fight the fire and doing nothing. PRIDE can make people do bad things and I believe this is one of the worst I have ever heard of!!!!!
Garrett CrumbyFriday, September 07, 2012 3:39:41 PMFight the fire then when a bereaucrat gets in your face about it...knock em out.
Joshua Glenn DavisFriday, September 07, 2012 3:41:48 PMthey should have fought it anyways what's the worse that could have happen they get fired I would have fought the fire.
Pete GravellFriday, September 07, 2012 3:42:14 PMIf Spock was a Firefighter, his Human response to the political officials would be...GO TO HELL, then fight the fire.
Sheila RyanFriday, September 07, 2012 3:42:34 PMTim maybe its the fact of the fines and charges they would face if they did im a volunteer but i wouldnt risck having to pay fines or go to jail for it my family comes first......its a horrible tragedy and im sure a hard thing to stand by and watch
Serena LeblondFriday, September 07, 2012 3:42:40 PMamen Tim...that's the way it is.
Matthew PerryFriday, September 07, 2012 3:44:59 PMwow I think that is so messed up those fireman on scene should not call them selve fireman if they do something like that, I myslelf would never do anything like that even if the town told me not to id at least try with a garden hose, even though a garden hose will not do much.
Robert NashFriday, September 07, 2012 3:45:40 PMShouldn't they lose their FF licenses for breech of duty?
Mike CassaniFriday, September 07, 2012 3:47:22 PMA lot of people say they would fight the fire but there are legal ramifications that must be considered. Fines as mentioned before, and what would happen if a firefighter were hurt or killed? Would workers comp or other insurance cover them? Fortunately I have never been in this situation thanks to good mutual aid agreements.
Steve TofanelliFriday, September 07, 2012 3:47:53 PMFight the fire. You got equipment, personnel, then fight it. Fines? Charges? Bring them. In the sniveling bereaucrat world the public would eat anyone alive for going after firefighters DOING THE RIGHT THING!
Eddie CarrollFriday, September 07, 2012 3:48:02 PMLetting politics prevent firefighters from doing thier job... These guys were not taking ther job of FIREFIGHTER seriously. What happened is stupid, do the job, and bitch, moan and complain AFTERWORDS!
Angel SwainFriday, September 07, 2012 3:48:24 PMWhat happened to Duty to act? I feel for this family but I could not personally stand by and watch this. You are already on scene do it and deal with it later.
James LowFriday, September 07, 2012 3:48:33 PMthe fire scene belongs to the fire department and what they say goes. They need to save the bickering for after things gat done!
Carlton ChandlerFriday, September 07, 2012 3:48:53 PMI am from across the river from perdix and I know all about the battle with the township and the fire dept and the township told the fire dept of they respond to any fires in penn township they will be arrested and thrown in jail so yea kinda a tough pill to take when they want to put u in jail just my opinion not the views and thoughts of the co. I run with thanks.
Douglas CremeansFriday, September 07, 2012 3:52:13 PMin my own personal opinon, they did the right thing, if thye would have fought it, would they have been fired? gotten fined? or some other punishment? if they got fired, what good would it have done for the dept to lose that many people? getting fined? I'm not about to pay for the actions I signed up for due to the bickering of the city officials. if they are not going to fight the fire, why were they dispatched in the first place? we had a fire here in ohio, where 2 dept's stood out on the apron waiting to get called into the 3rd depts working area...less than a half mile each. it was the desicion of the 3rd dept to NOT let these guys go at it before they got on scene...PRIDE in this job sucks when it comes to "home field playing" that's why we have mutual aid in the first place...
Bobby Dean CranfordFriday, September 07, 2012 4:04:18 PMI never understood the "I can't play with others because I have to be in charge" thing...but have seen it TOO many times! It's really simple, I am a volunteer...if you want my help I'm there, if you don't then don't cry when I'm not!
Keith MathonFriday, September 07, 2012 4:04:35 PMYou're volunteers! You don't get paid! If you don't want to work you should have stayed home! Don't show up in gear with trucks and do nothing!
Jim SiglerFriday, September 07, 2012 4:12:11 PM1. What kind of cop would arrest a firefighter attempting to do his job?
2. What kind of firefighters would allow their brothers to be arrested for doing their jobs?
Sounds like a recipe for a major civil incident to me.
Jeff HaughFriday, September 07, 2012 4:26:04 PMI have heard of this before but never understood how a FF can watch a person's home burn down and do nothing. If there was confusion go by the cardinal rule: Do the right thing!
Curt SmithFriday, September 07, 2012 4:27:53 PMJust do the right thing.
Jason StettenbenzFriday, September 07, 2012 4:29:20 PMThe thing is that this was a political stunt.. The fire fighters where where banded from fighting fire should have never went in the first place. They did it only for show. Only to get a public compalints. They are not firefighters...God put us on this earth to help people simple as that. We are firefighters day in day out. We never deaveate from our mission in life. Those that do are never should have been a firefighter in the first place! GREAT JOB GUYS FOR MAKES US LOOK BAD YET AGAIN!
Jane AnkenbauerFriday, September 07, 2012 4:34:48 PMIts sad that this is even an issue. WTF happened to taking care of your neighbors. No such "law" should ever be made NEVER.
Ethan SicardFriday, September 07, 2012 4:35:02 PMWhat the point in having an FD if they are not allowed to fight fires? If anything pull a PR line to make it look like you at least attempted.
Chuck BruzdzinskiFriday, September 07, 2012 4:38:24 PMCan anyone verify if PA has a good samaratin law? If they do there are no legal ramifications fr extinguishing this fire. As long a they did no additional harm deliberately they would have been in the right. I see a lawsuit in their future if they did stand by and watch. Any horrible lawyer could win that suit.
Joe MathewsFriday, September 07, 2012 4:43:16 PMTims got it right. As a Firefighter we have a duty to put other's needs before our own. You say you wouldn't fight that fire because of the risk of unemployment but you would risk your life? We have some boundry lines in our department and they are considered Grey. Cross them if you need to. This would have been a need to.
Jim BatemanFriday, September 07, 2012 4:45:01 PMIf they were banned from firefighting, for whatever reason. WHAT were they doing there in the first place? If I was the FIRE MARSHALL. They would be the first suspects I would approach, especially if the cause of the fire was suspect.
Rules are made to be enforced. Playing this game of WE COULDA HELPED is nothing but reverse Politics, in Reverse. And they all know it.
Jim BatemanFriday, September 07, 2012 4:46:39 PMSure thing Garrett. That sounds mighty SMART of you. Grow up.
Bobby KimbleFriday, September 07, 2012 4:57:38 PMIf they wouldn't/couldn't fight it, why even respond?
Aaron ClarkFriday, September 07, 2012 5:03:40 PMPersonally I think its a tragedy and the city has a lot to work out. That said I would not put my crew in a position that they would get fined or arrested if there was no human life to save. that said if there was a viable save possibly, then no doubt I would go in and take care of business but that's to much risk for contents. Just my opinion....
Matthew QuinnFriday, September 07, 2012 5:24:12 PMArrested for what? Failure to act when they had no legal obligation to do so?
Ken StephensFriday, September 07, 2012 5:24:46 PMYes Timmy. Firefighters ---real Firefighters will do the job despite the conditions they work under.. That is what makes them Firefighters.
Dana F. McDanielFriday, September 07, 2012 5:26:37 PMyes pa has a good samaratin law it is hb 315
Mike CassaniFriday, September 07, 2012 5:30:41 PMEasier said than done Curt, what would your family do if they had no pay out and no pension except for what you put in. If a life were in danger that may be a different story, but that is what we as officers must decide when the time comes. How much are we willing to risk?
Brian FryarFriday, September 07, 2012 5:31:02 PMthis is bullshit that is why some city officials need to stay out of fire dept. business and the city needs to build her a new home for their stupidy.
Cheri PelletierFriday, September 07, 2012 5:33:31 PMthe problem is people cant get along with each other...
Kenneth Tull Sr.Friday, September 07, 2012 5:34:03 PMIf these volunteers were barred from fighting fires in the township - why did they even respond. Sounds to me like a good lawsut on the township officials by the home owner.
Bryan JohnsonFriday, September 07, 2012 5:35:40 PMI delt with a simmilar situation in a combo dept the county made the rules for paid and vol. on my way to work I pulled up to a house fire 911 was just beeing told about hadent dispatched the run the neighbors were screeaming a little old lady in a wheelchair was inside. I put on what ppe I had and went in she was 20 ft from the door got her out safe. as I was coming out the door the first truck pulled up (paid staff) I got a phone call a few hours latter from the county cheif that I was suspended indefinitly never allowed to ride again. a few days later my vol. cheif called said the hosp called and the lady wanted to thank me. I went to the hospital she thanked me we talked she found out that I was tossed she went to papers with her story. when the news paper got ahold of the fact that I was tossed with in hours after the story ran I was back in. The county made it a point to give medals to the paid staff for the grab. I will do it all over again if the situation arises that's just what we do.
Nikki MarieFriday, September 07, 2012 5:36:41 PMI hate political crap like this ugh let the closest ones do it!!
Andrew RamaekerFriday, September 07, 2012 5:36:58 PMWhat is the state law that prohibits a firefighter from doing their job? Trespassing at best. That's a cite and release and no prosecutor worth their salt would even look at that. Sounds like an idle threat to me. These towns ned to grow up. Their citizens are the ones who are suffering. Bunch of dumbasses!!!!!
Richard FletcherFriday, September 07, 2012 5:39:58 PMAnother case of paid over vol--
Nathan MorinFriday, September 07, 2012 5:42:42 PMWhether or not there was fines, it doesn't say... but if youre worried about fines, then don't show up! standing there and watching the home burn is a huge insult. either fight the fire or don't show up period.
Parker SimpsonFriday, September 07, 2012 5:42:48 PMYeah and get arrested and never get a job in the fire service ever again....bunch of armchair quarterbacks.
Steve MauchFriday, September 07, 2012 5:43:22 PMThere is not enough info here to say they were right or wrong. The article says 6-7 firefighters were on scene standing there, it does not say they had an apparatus present. Maybe they showed up to make sure no one was inside. This seems to be a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Those who say they would've fought it anyway, you weren't there, you don't know what happened, you don't know if they were given the repercussions of what would happen. Yes, it sucks, no its not easy. I believe it was somewhere around LA, the department had to watch a man drown because their water rescue was cut. At least in this case no one was hurt...let's not jump to conclusions here, let's remain professional and support our brothers and sisters. If you can't do that, maybe YOU aren't a true firefighter...
Aaron HousemanFriday, September 07, 2012 5:44:43 PMWell Tim as a volunteer would you like to be thrown in jail for 15 years because you decided to do something. ANY Perdix firefighter caught fighting or assisting on any emergency call in Penn Township will be arrested and thrown in prison. Would you choose prison over fighting this fire? I think the township needs to re evaluate and let Perdix back into fighting in their own first due! DO NOT blame the fire department. BLAME the TOWNSHIP for making the law against them.
Edna WinonaFriday, September 07, 2012 5:47:45 PMthe problem also is people are stupid.....
Rick LoughreyFriday, September 07, 2012 5:49:21 PMfukn politics...go figure.
Bill SieffertFriday, September 07, 2012 5:52:02 PMAre you kidding.nevertheless the ignorance
Spartacus JonesFriday, September 07, 2012 5:52:15 PMSome laws, you just have to disobey, no matter what the consequences are. (The Fugitive Slave Act, is the prime example.) But that's just my personal opinion.
Spartacus JonesFriday, September 07, 2012 5:58:23 PMI'm sorry to say it, but, unfortunately, most cops I know wouldn't hesitate to arrest a firefighter. And unfortunately, I don't think I know a single firefighter I could count on to back me up if I were getting arrested for doing my job.
Patty LynnFriday, September 07, 2012 5:58:29 PMThis woman is out of a home due to the "township supervisors" being total assholes! I bet if it was one of their homes the FF would be dousing it with water! This lady and her daughter are now without a home, and their beloved dog is dead. WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!
Justin SmithFriday, September 07, 2012 6:08:01 PMThey give the fire service a black eye...
Robert PidgeonFriday, September 07, 2012 6:11:10 PMwhat happened to the good samaritan law? it protects you from shit like this.
Brett D. GrandawFriday, September 07, 2012 6:17:21 PMWe vow to serve and protect our neighbors! Volunteer or career, doesn't matter, those guys/gals are a disgrace to the service!
Byron OuelletteFriday, September 07, 2012 6:22:52 PMIts to bad that politics play such a major role in the fire service. To often does things like this happen.
Ro BertFriday, September 07, 2012 6:24:39 PMcant fight a fire without apparatus. If they would have went the half mile down the road, an took the engine, they would have been thrown in jail for stealing a fire engine. sucks for the homeowners, but the bad publicity may do the city good.
Marcus WrynnFriday, September 07, 2012 6:24:39 PMI am from long island in the county of Nassau...there 71 dept's ...2 of them are paid/ volunteer dept's but the rest of us are all volunteer...you would think in this age that we could put stuff like that aside...we are here to a job...and we all took oath to do that job.....some people just forget that
Karen Scheuber GurinaFriday, September 07, 2012 6:32:52 PMI'm not a FF, but I do believe if I was there I would have distributed some water. What would they do to me? Once that hit the national news? I would have pulled the trigger for sure. I know you would have, right?
Alicia BouletteFriday, September 07, 2012 6:34:30 PMThought it was all about fighting fires why show up if they weren't going to fight it!
Ian MontgomeryFriday, September 07, 2012 6:38:43 PMI am just thank full we don't have your political problems, here all rural fire units are under a national umbrella, City officials have no say in how we operate, its actually illegal for them to have any direct control over a rural fire unit and the units have a MOU with their regional fire authority, City/towns get a only a representative on the fire authority which is made up of all stakeholders. and has to follow national guidelines. In urban areas the National fire service is independent of local politics and has a national set of rules and regs.
John LiebfredFriday, September 07, 2012 6:45:04 PMYou've gotta be kiddin'
Gina Regina EpleyFriday, September 07, 2012 6:58:04 PMMy heart goes out to the family that just lost their home and dog. This should not have happened!
Paul-Olga SilviaFriday, September 07, 2012 7:01:06 PMA fire fighter's job is to protect life and property! Put the f'in fire out and deal with the bickering later! No Professional Fire Fighter would not let this happen!
Ed WoodsFriday, September 07, 2012 7:25:39 PMWhen are you people in the States with Township Goverments going to wake up and do away with Townships? It's the stupidist form of government on the face of the earth. One Governing Organization at the County Level will do everything Better and cheaper that the stupidity that you have now. And while you're at it, copy the Maryland Laws that keep politicians from interfering with public safety. EVERY Fire Station should protect all that it is the closest to - Period. NO political boundaries are allowed to interfere. We've been doin it that way forever, people always get the closest available help, and no elected politician can interfere with that, By Law....
Jay JohnsFriday, September 07, 2012 7:29:17 PMNot everywhere Chief. Even up here in Washington County the chief of the department still can decide who is due on their boxes. I have been on a transfer where we had to pull over to let a unit respond past us to go to the fire that we weren't allowed to run.
Greg JakubowskiFriday, September 07, 2012 7:48:45 PMEd, after Jack Johnson????????? My fire tax is $40/year and I get the closest companies under a Township government with at least 4 FF staffing per unit.
Garrett CrumbyFriday, September 07, 2012 8:07:41 PMI'm not an officer. I'm a plain-joe firefighter. I fight fire and help those who need help. My oath doesn't include standing by idle while someone in need doesn't get the help they deserve from those who do the same job I do.
The "knock em out" comment was a facetious way of saying that no matter what the suits want I will do what I swore to do and deal with the consequences of bereaucracy later.
If I did what I believe I should've done to help another person then the only opinion that matters to me is God's.
It's ridiculous that lives and property are jeopardized and lost because some politicians want to whine about tax dollars. Money is indeed the root of all evil because it pushes people who are intended to serve in positions of government to put lives and property in danger over a dollar.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Robert ReevesFriday, September 07, 2012 8:43:13 PMIf you knew you could not render any assistance, why did you even respond? The residents were already undergoing a great deal of anxiety over their home burning without adding additional anxiety of watching the FD do nothing! Being sensitive and considerate of people suffering used to be a trademark of FD's. It appears someone was trying to make a statement to the politicians at the expense of a resident's home..... SAD! IF YOU CANNOT AND WILLNOT HELP THE SITUATION STAY AWAY!
Jim WoldFriday, September 07, 2012 8:52:53 PMAaron , Prison really? I gotta call bullshit on this............ PUT THE FIRE OUT!
Shannon RogishFriday, September 07, 2012 9:00:56 PMI have to say, if you believe cops will not arrest firefighters, check out the utube video of the fire captain getting arrested on the highway for refusing to move an engine that was being used as a "safety barrakade" during a medical call on the side of the highway.
Shannon RogishFriday, September 07, 2012 9:04:12 PMI understand that all stations have their drama, (many with neighboring stations), unfortunitely, too many are on their "power trips" and tend to forget who they are serving. I see it all the time in the area of PA I am in. There are stations within a very few miles of each other (about 3-4 miles apart) and these "turf wars" go on quite often. I wish people could play in the sand box together, but as long as money is hard to come by and stations are so worried about who gets paid for what services, these cases will not end.
David WassonFriday, September 07, 2012 9:11:52 PMIt doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong here. At issue is that, because of political infighting, a family lost their home and their pet while a fire company stood by and watched it happen. Such behavior on the part of those who could have done something is inexcusable.
Jim BeachFriday, September 07, 2012 9:37:20 PMREALLY ?
John NovakFriday, September 07, 2012 9:43:31 PMIf you are concerned about getting fined or arrested, DO NOT SHOW UP! That way you will not be expected to fight the fire. Stories like this make all of us look bad. I would also start voting and/or supporting the right people to replace the incumbents in Penn township in order to have the law changed.
Mitch KratochvilFriday, September 07, 2012 10:04:06 PMHave to agree - if they are really barred then don't go
Sandy Chaney LoraFriday, September 07, 2012 10:46:54 PMThis is disgusting! Petty arguments and disagreements need to be put aside when there is an emergency! That house was that families home! If I were one of those firefighters... I would of said forget the rules, and let the water flow! There was a possibility that they could have saved the family dog. Get it together officials with no hearts! Lives and homes are being lost!
Brent EvickFriday, September 07, 2012 11:10:49 PMThese are the types of issues that really piss me off. There should NEVER be a question of political victory over life or limb...
Jimmy JohnsonFriday, September 07, 2012 11:46:23 PMSTUPIDITY Does get in the way of going and having a halfways decent chance of saving someones property.
Jimmy FriscoSaturday, September 08, 2012 12:06:21 AMYeah Ed, it's a shame that I live in Annapolis City and can't be a Volunteer here. Last I remember as a Volunteer, our goal is to protect life and property. At least with AA County you can volunteer and the City is located within the County, but we are not welcomed here.....just doesn't make sense to me all ..... because of the City union
Corey TrewhellaSaturday, September 08, 2012 12:52:13 AMYes they never should have went there in the first place.
Jessica HolderSaturday, September 08, 2012 2:25:28 AMHmm... makes you wonder why officials cut ties with that particular department in the first place, huh?
Brent MathersSaturday, September 08, 2012 2:45:18 AMIt's a shame that politics takes a priority over serving and protecting.
Frank PernaSaturday, September 08, 2012 3:18:09 AMAaron Houseman you forget in these here united states we have what is called failure to act law if you are identified as a responder who has the means to assist and fail to do so you can be sued or worse so HELL YES i'd fight the fire then let the home owner be my star witness at my trial FIRE FIGHTERS NEVER DIE WE MULTIPLY and we do the damn job
Judy NuttingSaturday, September 08, 2012 3:34:03 AMMy son is a firefighter in Fountain Hill Pa. and I saw first hand bureaucratic BS between the townships there in the fire dept. and Police dept. and we wonder why the kids of today act like they do?
Ralph PermanSaturday, September 08, 2012 4:29:10 AMI find it rather odd that after over a century of Community Fire Fighting, we have gone Back to this? I mean it has been over a century that Fire Department stopped partitioning boarders and moved to a much more sane policy of "First on Site". And you are right, at least no lives were lost, but it is still a wonder as to why we allow a HOME to burn because it's not within our boarders?
Tim WoodellSaturday, September 08, 2012 4:47:13 AMnot a jury in the world would have convicted a whole FD.
Julie LittleSaturday, September 08, 2012 7:10:51 AMthat is terrible!
John R ShumanSaturday, September 08, 2012 7:26:43 AMAaron Houseman yes I would because ANY judge who gets this case would throw the sentence out because the firefighters are doing ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE and that judge knows that he wants that person working in the fire department not in jail incase his house catches on fire. thean there would be the civil lawsuit against penn township because they are allowing homes to be destroyed and not saved because of the threat to throw them in prison. I come from a family of firefighters and there is not a single one that would ever sit and watch a building burn.
Donnie Lee SmithSaturday, September 08, 2012 7:45:02 AMMY WORDS EXACTLY TIM PRICHARD, COMING FROM A A FIREFIGHTER WHO RETIRED 2 MONTHS AGO AFTER 31 YEARS OF SERVICE.
Steve RoebkeSaturday, September 08, 2012 7:49:34 AMIf they were paged to the fire, they should fight it. Let the dispatchers take the blame if they shouldn't have been there. The politicos need to get out of the way. Out herein Montana rural areas we don't have many of these battles thank God.
Bobby KimbleSaturday, September 08, 2012 8:17:01 AMThe the city fathers take the heat for it. But, I'm not sure what the total riff is with them. Looking back, I may have done what I could then dealt with them later.
Corey TrewhellaSaturday, September 08, 2012 9:10:05 AMWith a Fire Dept you get what you pay for. For the idiots wanting to privatize everything that means more stunts like this and more insurance rates sky rocketing.
Ed HillenbrandSaturday, September 08, 2012 9:25:50 AMThis is horrible. Of course we don't have all the facts here but I smell a lawsuit. At least all the humans made it out alive.
Brian WolgamotSaturday, September 08, 2012 9:28:42 AMNo mutual aid? It wouldn't be the first time I've been locked up.
Steven W. WilgusSaturday, September 08, 2012 9:57:56 AMI am a Registered Nurse AND a Firefighter [was in Iraq w/ WSI too], I could NOT stand by: the question as a Nurse is 100% clear: IF YOU FAIL TO RENDER AID, YOU CAN BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. Now my question to my FF Community is: does the same Necessity To "Care" also apply to a Fire Service? I Honest to God don't know: and another thing is, if my Chief says "Stand down", then I will obey him/her. When I become a Chief, THEN I can be the hot seat decision maker.
Steven W. WilgusSaturday, September 08, 2012 10:01:24 AMAaron Houseman as I posted above as a question: when does a "Do Nothing" LAW supercede the care of the population we are supposed to serve? What JURY would convict a Firefighter when THAT Service is the question? I for sure wouldn't.
Steven W. WilgusSaturday, September 08, 2012 10:04:21 AMdo the right thing: even the Court of Heaven will acknowledge this. Politicians are one step from being dictators far too often. If all else fails: GO PUBLIC.
Steven W. WilgusSaturday, September 08, 2012 10:07:36 AM""Your policy is illogical, and therefore I can not obey it," Mr. Spock.
Kia Coontz ThomasSaturday, September 08, 2012 10:35:01 AMThere will surely be public outcry from this incident. That outcry is what would have saved the volunteers, if they had acted. The outcry should now fall upon the volunteers that did not act, and the township supervisors and fire trustees that created the issue. I've been in the fire service for nearly 19 years. I have seen the problems of letting trustees or other boards run fire departments. Their job is to see to our financal needs and budgets. I have trouble seeing you guys not acting, you may have been bullied and deterred, but really.