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Cops order neighbor to end garden-hose firefight, then Taser him

Relatives say the man was trying to protect his home with a garden hose; cops say he ignored their orders to move back

By Kameel Stanley
The Tampa Bay Times

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. — Family and friends of a man shot with a Taser Thursday night as he tried to battle a house fire with a garden hose said they are baffled by authorities' actions.

"He was just doing what anybody would do," Angela Jensen, 42, said of her husband Dan. "He was trying to protect his house and help his neighbors."

Full story: Cops order neighbor to end garden-hose firefight, then Taser him




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Saturday, November 10, 2012 4:34:37 PM Just another incident of an idiot coward cop thinking he can order people around. If any of those gutless jelly fish tasers anyone in my family or me, they will be pushing up daisies!
David Williams David Williams Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:20:15 PM police sometimes give orders that are totally uncalled for. the man was protecting his property the cops should have helped or went back to the donut shop where they do their best work!
Ryan O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:01:05 PM or maybe that cop saved that dudes life and he still can be a father to his children.
Monday, November 12, 2012 6:49:41 AM Preservation of self would supersede when the conditions became a threat to his life , and the man would have responded appropriately. So no the boy wth the tin badge did not save his life and should be charged, found guilty, and imprisioned for assault. All cops are sociopaths!
James Weyand James Weyand Monday, November 12, 2012 2:01:43 PM cop could have also killed the guy.
Stephen Williams Stephen Williams Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02:14 PM Just because a cop gives orders or instructions does not make him right. Be prepared things are probably going to get a lot worse.
James E Phillips James E Phillips Monday, November 12, 2012 2:05:20 PM Look Police look first as you should. Help if you can til Fire Dept arrives. You DON"T put someone down for trying to save his home.
Teresa Barents Van Bramer Teresa Barents Van Bramer Monday, November 12, 2012 2:07:43 PM A taser is an electroshock weapon and they used it on a man who was wet. Real good judgement officer.
Ed Woods Ed Woods Monday, November 12, 2012 2:09:53 PM As a Fire Chief, I understand people trying to do something while waiting for the Proper help to arrive. In this case, the guy was outside, not trying to make an interior attack, and I have no problem with his actions....... I do however, wonder why the Police were there. Apparently Florida is different than Maryland since here the Police do not go to Fires unless called by the Fire Dept. When the Police do come to a Fire here, they are under the direction of the Fire Chief, UNLESS there is a Crime........ Having explained that, I need to add: We have absolutely no problems with the Police Dept. We run Auto Accidents together, along with other calls, and we work well together......
Michael Scantland Michael Scantland Monday, November 12, 2012 2:19:15 PM OM Feing GOD! Your telling me, I was a Certified Firefighter/EMT and if my house is on Fire or someone is in the home. I'm going in to save them PERIOD. Granted this man was not inside a burning structure, Fire was not on scene, just some Cop with a chip on his shoulder, what's this say for Pinellas Park PD, So many things could have gone wrong, He tasered this man, he falls.. Hes now a man who cant move and near a ragging Fire. And them hospitalized for the smoke inhalation. It was prob when he couldn't move. Ryan O'Reily the man was hosing his house down to prevent his roof.. Save a life Come on... This cop is a Lose Cannon and he needs to be exposed. I'm sure the report will say I felt in danger of a man saving his house. Thrown under the rug and a pat on the back for discharging his weapon on a water hose holding good Samaritan. No wonder we a people don't want to help anyone or offer a helping hand for those in need, because it could get you killed. This makes me sick..
Steven Yunghans Steven Yunghans Monday, November 12, 2012 2:23:57 PM There's a little credo in EMS, do no further harm to the patient. That could be applied here. I understand the police position, I've been there myself as a firefighter, restraining property owners from unknowingly putting themselves in harms way, however, if you are close enough to use a taser, you are close enough to physically remove an individual from the dangerous situation. I suspect the fire and the behavior of the individual drove the officer to respond with his training, rather than his higher reasoning. You don't shoot people to protect them from themselves. If anything continue issuing verbal commands to the individual to withdraw from the fire until the firefighters arrive. We have the gear to protect ourselves a bit longer from the high heat to pull "civilians" away from the flames. It could have been handled a LOT better and hopefully, at least, the charges should be dropped, an apology should be issued, and the officer receives some additional training on how to handle such situations.
William Whatley William Whatley Monday, November 12, 2012 2:35:16 PM We would all feel the same way and try to protect our property. It is police and fire's responsibility to protect life, property and secure the scene. Once this man put his life in danger (like most of us would have) it was the police officers duty to remove him from harm. Property can be replaced but the life can not. We could not imagine what this poor man was feeling, his emotions probably got the best of him. This is where the police had to act to protect his life and their life.
Alex Chu Alex Chu Monday, November 12, 2012 2:39:49 PM I don't know, they both have light and siren on according to Wisconsin State Journal, and the volly follow the rule by stopping at the stop sign and using the turning signal, he was just going at the excessive speed. on the other hand, the police cross double line, fail to stop at the stop sign, but the police is following the procedure. I don't know, who's at fault? here's the link. http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/departments-at-odds-after-cop-pulls-gun-on-firefighter-during/article_f95d2684-251d-11e2-9ce6-0019bb2963f4.html
Max Duryee Max Duryee Monday, November 12, 2012 3:01:13 PM I think those Tasers have given cops an excuse to use excessive force without seeming to do so. Some could use a little more training in dealing with people.
Tim Woodell Tim Woodell Monday, November 12, 2012 3:01:13 PM The cops should have been helping fight the fire as well. As a vol FF, I put out a whole kitchen fire with a garden hose. You got to do what you got to do.
Kurtis Cook Kurtis Cook Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39:55 PM It was his private property. They should have just stayed in the cars. This was not a law enforcement matter. Just another example of out of control communist government.
Larry Wayne Hudson Larry Wayne Hudson Monday, November 12, 2012 3:43:35 PM In Florida they respond with us. We use them to help control large groups of people.
Kurtis Cook Kurtis Cook Monday, November 12, 2012 3:43:50 PM "Proper help" depends on what type of dept. is responding. We have depts. up in the panhandle of FL. where your better off buying your own supply line and pump to fight your own fire.
Bobby Dean Cranford Bobby Dean Cranford Monday, November 12, 2012 3:58:06 PM I beleive this was an overreach of authority by the officer! This is one reason people don't do their civic duty to help themselves and others...afraid they will get in trouble. First the officer should be reprimanded and have to appoligize to the man(should be tasered by him!) and undergo anger management classes. Just my opinion.
Don Fowler Don Fowler Monday, November 12, 2012 4:17:53 PM The man was in no danger and just might have saved his own home with his actions! The cop should have either helped him or left to go catch a crook!
Gary Mayes Gary Mayes Monday, November 12, 2012 6:23:46 PM I agree with all the other comments. I am a firefighter here in North Carolina and if a law enforcement was to arrive on the scene, they would help out and let the fire department know what the situation was. The guy was trying to protect his property. He did not break any laws. I guess the officer decided to make his own laws. I hope he has to pay for his actions and he should be taken off the street and put on jail duty. I smell a lawsuit coming and it is desrving. Police have to realize that they don't rule the world.
Kurt Bendoraitis Kurt Bendoraitis Monday, November 12, 2012 6:39:59 PM Mr. Jensen was treated for smoke inhalation. People want to do what they feel is in the best interest for themselves, friends and neighbors. I give him full support on doing what he did. On the other hand Professionals are trained in certain fields and understand the danger attributed to certain situations. Mr.Jensen had no protection and the hose he was using as any professional would know was a useless losing battle. He could have easily become part of the problem and the actions of the cops may have stop that from happening. If he died during this event, people would be saying the cops should have got him away and did nothing. As hindsight is 20/20, I feel an angry Mr.Jensen is better then a dead Mr.Jensen. Glad nobody died!
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 6:53:48 PM U.S. Police are out of control, too much DHS Para-military training, they have forgotten who they work for! They were just knuckleheads with no business being there! These officers should be charged with assault and fired...
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 7:01:11 PM Obviously your a cop used to writing bullshit CYA reports, This whole argument is bogus! A 3/4" garden hose can certainly control & extinguish a fence fire, There was no need for bunker gear outside of the house, cotton street clothing is very similar to Wildland firefighting clothing, the police were trespassing, assualtive and obviously WERE THE PROBLEM... Fire The Officers! we need to start showing cops their are consequences to their actions. p.s in California it would of been legal to use maximum, even lethal force against these officers acting illegally...
Spartacus Jones Spartacus Jones Monday, November 12, 2012 7:02:21 PM They TASERED him? What in the hell is going on in this country with cops tasering EVERYBODY for any reason or no reason at all. The taser was SUPPOSED to be a non-lethal alternative in cases when lethal force was justified. Now it's an alternative to "Good Morning, Sir." And people have DIED from being tasered. This is inexcusable and I'm disgusted that anyone would defend the cops' actions.
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 7:14:27 PM "...he wasn't fighting but ignoring.." So he wasn't threatening the police or any other person. In fact his motives were pure.
Roger Sandoval Roger Sandoval Monday, November 12, 2012 7:16:13 PM Another with the Barney Fife Syndrome .....the part I like was " the officer feared for his life......really , from what ,, the green line ???
Kurt Bendoraitis Kurt Bendoraitis Monday, November 12, 2012 7:20:32 PM No Sir, I am not a cop. Yeah 3/4" garden hose can in most cases extinguish a fence fire. But if I remember the story correctly it was the situation behind the fence that was the issue, The house that was on fire. He was being treated for smoke inhalation which seems to me that he was probably in a unsafe situation. I agree with the statement about sometimes cops need to realize that they cant do whatever they want and that there has to be consequences. Fire retardant cotton is what the Wildland turnout gear is made out of, similar to street cotton? Well....I'll let you test that theory yourself.
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 7:22:58 PM The police put this victim's life in far more danger by using the taser than he would have been in with a garden hose. Even with the hose in is hand, he was not threatening anyone. As for his children, its his place to defend their home. Whether we are police or volunter or career firefighters, we would do well to work with the communities we serve and not against them.
Shannan Martin Shannan Martin Monday, November 12, 2012 7:34:17 PM I agree with you Kurt, as a former fire fighter myself I know all to well what situation can arise, 3/4" garden hose for the most part yes, however when the man was treated for smoke inhalation, that really has to tell readers something about the severity of the fire. Its the fact that he is still alive that should be noted!
Marc Kovacs Marc Kovacs Monday, November 12, 2012 7:39:41 PM As a cop and part time FF.........leave him alone. Let the hosedraggers deal with him in the way screaming at them as they pull up. As cops we are always told, it isn't our scene. So I agree with the FF consensus.....not my problem, he is yours. I don't wear SCBA at work and will not put myself where I could possibly suck in smoke so you guys drag him to me. I really don't care if he gets hurt fighting a fire with a garden hose. Let's see........hmmm, what is the formula for water on a fire attack lines? I am sure I have never seen "garden hose" as a choice. So criticize the cops from behind the Playstations and Recliners. I say that we as cops just stay in the Donut Shop and let the true "heroes" (right David Williams) do the EMS with violent patients and tell people to get back from the house fire. You don't have to write the reports and go to court for the "failure to act lawsuit" do you? This is great, when someone gets hurt at a fire I will be the first to say, " the full time FF guys said we should just back out, let them handle it." Thanks for the out guys. Don't call me the next time you are getting your ass handed to you by an irate citizen when I am in the Donut shop. And when I pull you over for speeding don't tell me you are my brother either, we DON'T do even close to the same job. I know, I do both......
Tom Johnson Tom Johnson Monday, November 12, 2012 7:42:28 PM He should sue the cops asses off. He wasn't a threat to them, and they had no reason to tase him. Most cops are good, but cops like that are just thugs that need to be put ion their places.
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 7:45:16 PM Kurt, we all like to think we are experts... turn your thinking a little more to police policy and procedures, human rights and taser technology and you may get closer to understanding the issues here. Ask yourself, which is more dangerous: 'undisciplined, out of control stranger with deadly weapon' or 'face fire with garden hose'?
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 7:57:22 PM Ian Shelton Taser = weapon = injury (potentially lethal). Very small step from bullet to heart at point blank range. The flaw in your logic, William, is to imagine that debilitating injury by a taser would be preferable to self preservation exercised by a free citizen defending his home. The police action to 'protect his life' was delusional and to protect their own life they only had to stand back
Kurt Bendoraitis Kurt Bendoraitis Monday, November 12, 2012 8:04:12 PM First of all when it comes to firefighting, I do not consider myself an expert, every situation is different and that is one of the reasons I enjoy the job. I understand the big issue here,"was the use of the Taser warranted?, personally I think it was a little excessive. But on that note, I wasnt there and nor did the camera's show the incident. So no I dont know how it went down. I know that it sounds like a tight knit community and with that being said it is the opinion of friends and family which is to me just one side of the story.Yeah he was outside but as you may know fire is rarely the killer, it is the smoke that gets you. As for your question about Which is more dangerous? I would rather be shot with a Taser then to be expected to face a fire with a garden hose. To me that is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. That is my opinion, right or wrong.
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 8:14:48 PM "...clearly this is an excessive use of force case...
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 8:44:56 PM I have never seen so many ignorant comments in one place. Really FR1? I would think a publication so dedicated to training and educating would block out all the PD bashing. I hope most of the people posting here aren't really in the PROFESSION. Cause they aren't doing the public safety sector any favors here....
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 8:46:25 PM Kurt Bendoraitis In a large California wild-land fire the most hose used is pencil line 3/4'' nylon hose with garden thread fittings, Nomex wildland gear is thinner and lighter than most cotton or wool shirts/pants and both can/should be used under the nomex which is NOT fireproof it just does not sustain burning on its own... you can put a hole in it with small glowing ember... If my fence or neighbors home is on fire it would be irresponsible for me NOT TO use available water stream to combat/control the fire until help arrives (protecting my castle), being outside I automatically have a safe route of retreat if conditions become untenable... NO excuse for the cops behavior!
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 8:48:23 PM Please tell me you do not believe that a home is going to receive adiquit exposure protection from a garden hose.
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 8:49:42 PM Additionally I would think it would be criminal in a wildland urban interface fire for an able bodied citizen, with a safe zone and a dependable water source NOT to assist. He even went and got some PPE on(Pants)...
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 8:59:43 PM It is NOT the cops duty to protect us from Harm! they would have to arrest every kid on a trampoline, the NFL, Boxers, Rock climbers, Parachutist, truck drivers, fishermen, Miners, teenagers, etc...
Don Fowler Don Fowler Monday, November 12, 2012 9:14:15 PM might just slow the fire till the FD gets there enough to save his home. Better to try then regret not trying and lose everything. You'd be surprised what a small amount of water can do!
Kurt Bendoraitis Kurt Bendoraitis Monday, November 12, 2012 9:21:42 PM Lol he did put on his PPE. I agree with you on many point that you have shared. I to would do what he did and where I'm from if the cops showed up before the FD then they would try to help you( Ontario, Canada). I agree that 3/4" hose with the RIGHT pressure is very effective, from your household garden line pressure? plus I feel that a structure fire is quite different from a grassfire. As a side note we are allowed to fight a grass fire in our coveralls with steel-toe boots (long sleeves). If we enter the hot zone at a structure fire in coveralls and steel-toes then we are sitting in the captains office.
Ian Shelton Ian Shelton Monday, November 12, 2012 9:27:20 PM Kurt Bendoraitis: yep, it may be time to line yourself up for some volunteer taser testing with your local PD, but be prepared for it to hurt a lot. On a saner note, the sensible last and second last words should be Robert O'Connor's: 2nd last, "NO excuse for the cops behavior!" and last, "If my fence or neighbors home is on fire ... use available water stream to combat/control the fire until help arrives".
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 9:32:15 PM From residential 60 to 120 psi depending on location, more than enough you wouldn't run it higher off an engine it would just burst hose. In wildland heavy leather tall Boots w/o steel toe preferred but I bet most fallers have a steel toe, everyone in California has Full Nomex top to bottom, shirts pants, coat, sometimes coveralls but must be NFPA approved. underneath depending on weather temps minimum of 1 layer of cotton... Helmet, gloves, goggles, currently working on lung protection PPE standards nationwide but for now lots of smoke eaten thru bandanas on wild fire....
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 9:41:50 PM Marc your just plain dangerous saying you don't wear SCBA, and wrong about hose I've seen teams order 40,000 feet of 3/4" pencil line on California fires just to get started...
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Monday, November 12, 2012 9:43:03 PM The Truth is only bashing when your on the wrong side of the bash
Steven Jackson Steven Jackson Monday, November 12, 2012 9:47:43 PM The officer that tazed the man was out of line IMO, and needs some remedial training...
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 9:54:50 PM But losing your life? This man had smoke inhalation injurys. If you think a little bit of water goes a long way then you should see what a little bit of smoke and heat does to an airway. All of this is besides the point I'm making. This man was caught in the moment and was not making decisions for himself that the officer felt had his personal safety at best. If that man had died do you not think this article would have read more like "Man sucumbs to fire injuries after police let him battle house fire with garden hose"?
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 9:55:57 PM Not sure what that is supposed to mean?
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 10:01:28 PM succumbs*
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 10:18:29 PM Robert you can't be serious... It's not their duty to protect us from harm? What exactly would you say their duty is then? And you are reaching comparing this situation with extreme sports.
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Monday, November 12, 2012 10:21:18 PM Oh wait I get it. Cause I'm using common sense I'm the bashed.
William Whatley William Whatley Monday, November 12, 2012 10:37:57 PM Taser vs. potential wall collapse, firefighters life endanger if something happens to him and they have to go get him, potential for something inside the house to explode and send shrapnel toward him, not having the correct PPE (personal protective equipment) to properly fight a fire (like motioned in the article he had smoke inhalation problems) apparently they had a pretty good reason to use their taser, police have to write reports every time they use force. They cannot just “pop it off” whenever they feel like it.
Drew Kobis Drew Kobis Monday, November 12, 2012 11:32:41 PM I can't see how the police can just be that stupid
Tony Snyder Tony Snyder Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:45:27 AM TOTAL CRAP! Get another hose and help! YOU DON'T EFFING TAZE SOMEONE! Outside? R E A L L Y! WTF!
Johnny McGill Johnny McGill Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:59:02 AM I mostly agree with Steven, but the man had already suffered smoke inhalation maybe their actions spurred by their own adrenalin were not that much out of line. The officer could apologize and explain he was concerned for his life; more smoke, building falling, etc.
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:21:41 AM he was obviously in a IDLH zone he had no ppe on and it doesn't take much for a gust of wind to fuel the fire and push the fire towards him at all, look he already got smoke inhalation he could of died from that if he stayed longer, if the cops used force by means of hands then the police would be in danger and that time they used to fight the guy they all will be in the IDLH zone for some period of time and with in that time the fire could of quickly turned their way putting more lifes in danger, life over property. so using a taser to get him undercontrol and to move him out of the IDLH zone would take less time and prolly saved his life. so before blaimng the police why dot you think before you speak. I don't agree with everything the police do butthey do what I best.
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:26:20 AM i agree with you too but he was obviously in a IDLH zone he had no ppe on and it doesn't take much for a gust of wind to fuel the fire and push the fire towards him at all, look he already got smoke inhalation he could of died from that if he stayed longer, if the cops used force by means of hands then the police would be in danger and that time they used to fight the guy they all will be in the IDLH zone for some period of time and with in that time the fire could of quickly turned their way putting more lifes in danger, life over property. so using a taser to get him undercontrol and to move him out of the IDLH zone would take less time and prolly saved his life. so before blaimng the police why dot you think before you speak. I don't agree with everything the police do butthey do what I best.
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:26:51 AM he was obviously in a IDLH zone he had no ppe on and it doesn't take much for a gust of wind to fuel the fire and push the fire towards him at all, look he already got smoke inhalation he could of died from that if he stayed longer, if the cops used force by means of hands then the police would be in danger and that time they used to fight the guy they all will be in the IDLH zone for some period of time and with in that time the fire could of quickly turned their way putting more lifes in danger, life over property. so using a taser to get him undercontrol and to move him out of the IDLH zone would take less time and prolly saved his life. so before blaimng the police why dot you think before you speak. I don't agree with everything the police do butthey do what I best.
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:27:02 AM he was obviously in a IDLH zone he had no ppe on and it doesn't take much for a gust of wind to fuel the fire and push the fire towards him at all, look he already got smoke inhalation he could of died from that if he stayed longer, if the cops used force by means of hands then the police would be in danger and that time they used to fight the guy they all will be in the IDLH zone for some period of time and with in that time the fire could of quickly turned their way putting more lifes in danger, life over property. so using a taser to get him undercontrol and to move him out of the IDLH zone would take less time and prolly saved his life. so before blaimng the police why dot you think before you speak. I don't agree with everything the police do butthey do what I best.
Bill Chadwick Bill Chadwick Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:00:07 AM HMM..... since the guy was ON HIS OWN PROPERTY prior to FD arrival what are the cops going to charge him with? "Big brother always know best" I would go to the state police and swear out a warrant on the officer for assault with a dangerous weapon.
Matthew Montgomery Matthew Montgomery Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:07:17 AM quit spamming Alex
Bill Chadwick Bill Chadwick Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:22:57 AM Here is a hypothetical for you. Witnesses say property owner on his own property with his own hose is doing a good job trying to limit damage to his property while waiting for Fire Dept. Cop orders him to stop, he tell cop mind your own business and get off my property. Cop draws a weapon. Citizen ( FL is a right carry state) draws his own pistol and defends himself on his own property. It might be nice to remember the old saying “it is a FREE COUNTRY” once in a while?
Dustin Holmes Dustin Holmes Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:04:59 AM I hope there is a lawsuit and he wins, maybe with the money from the settlement he will donate the money back to the family that lost everything.
Ryan O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:30:34 AM Read the story, dude went to the ER treated for smoke inhalation. And last i checked you werent there. So is it possible that the garden hose hero was acting irresponsibly and recklessly risking his life to save his stuff. That seems like a more likely scenario than cop tazes a guy for no reason in front of a burning home.
Kurk Haddix Kurk Haddix Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:39:52 AM Does this mean, as a firefighter, I can go to the officers superior and have him reprimanded for kicking in a door of a burning building because he isn't protected by any PPE?
Frank Staples Frank Staples Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:48:51 AM Ryan and Alex....take a deep breath dudes and tell me again what you would do if it was YOUR house on fire....it is NOT the cops responsibility or duty to protect a citizen from himself by using force. So you guys, firemen?, are going to stand out of the way while waiting for the duty crew to arrive, and watch your own house go up in flames when maybe, just maybe, a water hose can save the day? I don't freakin think so! I have responded to fires where a citizen with a water hose saved a structure so don't even think of telling me it can't be done. Mobile home, room and contents fire, saved by a water hose through the window in Aberdeen, N.C. Same story, different location in Vass, N.C. Got the pictures as proof!
Nathan Dontchaknow Nathan Dontchaknow Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:58:27 AM Alex Schoen Shut your face, I am sick of all you assault apologist. The ignorance involved to suggest anyone deserves to be electrocuted simply because, "He wasn't fighting but he was ignoring." IGNORING a cop??? WTF! I expect the cops to rally around their own, but this is clearly assault. Do these bastards get any training? What are they sent out on the streets with a taser and a hero complex? Pathological, I F'in swear. I want you to go to the local police and ask them to tase you. After you pick yourself up off the ground and dig the taser darts out of you face, I want you to ask them to tase you again. Repeat as necessary.
Nathan Dontchaknow Nathan Dontchaknow Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:59:08 AM Alex Schoen Shut your face, I am sick of all you assault apologist. The ignorance involved to suggest anyone deserves to be electrocuted simply because, "He wasn't fighting but he was ignoring." IGNORING a cop??? WTF! I expect the cops to rally around their own, but this is clearly assault. Do these bastards get any training? What are they sent out on the streets with a taser and a hero complex? Pathological, I F'in swear. I want you to go to the local police and ask them to tase you. After you pick yourself up off the ground and dig the taser darts out of you face, I want you to ask them to tase you again. Repeat as necessary.
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:32:27 AM your real mature and smart!
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:33:04 AM any you im not going to even start on you, your not worth the time of my day!
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:36:10 AM do you have anytraining at all in either field?
Alex Schoen Alex Schoen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:38:38 AM maybe if you guys knew a little something you would understand but maybe you guys dont know what IDLH stands for, but thats ok.
Budd Dunson Budd Dunson Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:55:58 AM if the cop wanted to do something helpful to the man why didn't he look for another source of water and help.He should be tried for aggravated assault and at the very least fired, and pay the mans medical cost.I will go further and say his training officer , shift commander and chief should be fired.It was not a crime scene and he used more force than was needed.
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:45:25 AM It is NOT the police duty to "Secure the scene" this was a fire not a crime scene... Anyone has a god given right to go in harms way to save their property, in this case the only harm possible was a little smoke inhaled... It is not the Police Duty to interfere with an homeowner fighting a fire threatening his home! since they did not want to get dirty and help they did not want the homeowner exposing their worthlessness on that scene...
Doug Gregg Doug Gregg Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:12:13 PM Don't know about Florida law, but in Idaho NO ONE can order a property owner out of their home or off their own property unless they are involved in a crime of some sort. This comes up in disaster evacuations regularly. Owners can stay at their own risk. In Idaho the LEO's would be civilly and criminally in deep doo doo.
Melanie Croy Allen Melanie Croy Allen Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25:38 PM He could have simply turned the water off.
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:41:46 PM Alex S. you don't get it and never will. No one has the authority to tell another person what to do, period.
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:13:38 PM There is that ignorance poking its ugly head again. How is smoke inhalation no big deal? How do you work for a media source for the fire service and have such a flawed mindset? And in regards to your comment about getting an adaquit amount of pressure off of a garden house. If you have ever been in the fire service and been worth anything you would know it is GPMs and not pressure that fight the BTUs. I'm done commenting because I feel like everyone in this post is so anti cop no matter what is said they will look for a reason to argue. So you all just keep fighting "the man"!
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:20:37 PM I hope no one had to rely on you as their engineer.
Robert O'Connor Robert O'Connor Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:26:50 PM Your the idiot, you cant get GPM without PSI, besides someone had asked about pressure dummy so read before commenting! So by your reasoning if a cop saw me cutting my tree unsafely with a chainsaw he should tase me? The Cops in this country have been out of control since 9-11 it is DHS fault giving them so much Military training...
Andrew Brown Andrew Brown Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:55:45 PM Wow big man calling people names. I referred to the pressures you stated were "more than enough". I see you run your mouth off a lot about wildland firefighting so maybe you should stick to that. In a FULLY involved structure fire you are putting GALLONS on the fire. Yes you want penetration, but like everyone here know, putting the wet stuff on the red stuff is what does the job. So go back to reporting about the job and leave the fire tactics and scene safety to professionals.
Ryan O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:31:56 PM it is equally hypothetical to say the cop was wrong mainly because you werent there. Not everything that happens is a threat to your petty little freedom.
Ryan O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:45:04 PM Personally, if my house is burning down, and my family is not in the house, let it burn. Life is more important than stuff. and it actually is the cops duty to protect a citizen, even from themselves.
Ryan O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:52:26 PM oh man, you got me, you all are right all along. dont tread on me. God and Freedom.
Ray Kulpa Jr. Ray Kulpa Jr. Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:34:39 PM Hello excessive force, meet his friend name lawsuit!
Roger Cole Roger Cole Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:23:00 PM Some of you have just enough training to make you sound like a pure dumbass. This means you Alex..
Danny Graham Danny Graham Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:58:50 AM Not taking sides here, but it could go either way. Unfortunately, unless anyone on here was actually there, there's no way to know the totality of the circumstances based solely on what's written here. What I can honestly say is if the officer did nothing and the homeowner was overcome by smoke, burned, or worse, the blame would immediately and inevitably placed on the officer, as he has an obligation and duty to protect life. Alternatively, he wasn't resisting, and posed no threat to anyone other than himself. I can't say what I would do in that situation based off of one article. I do know (as a firefighter of 10+ years, and a recent police academy graduate) that either way, no one wins in this situation.
Charles Scripps Charles Scripps Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:40:36 PM Doesn't an order need to be legal before one is required to obey? Is simply putting ones self at risk a justification for use of force? They could order us to not drive or cross streets or drink alcohol as all of those entail some degree of risk. I think the PD have some potential liability here. The police concern may have been correct. The use of force was not. They created an incident within an incident further complicating the matter. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Gary Bryant Gary Bryant Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:30:54 AM Welcome to the police states of america. You must respect their authority, even though their authority is granted by you.
Wm Boyd Howell Wm Boyd Howell Friday, November 16, 2012 5:15:47 PM Terminate the officer immediatley
Sam Levi Sam Levi Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:50:31 AM The police are not there to protect sane people from themselves. He was doing nothing illegal and the police should not and do not have the authority to stop you from engaging in legal actions. If he's fighting the fire and knows the potential dangers, you'd have to be an idiot not to realize the risk of fighting a fire, he should be allowed to continue. Fact of the matter is the man was posing no threat to anyone but himself. If he had a heart condition, which I doubt the police bothered to ask, they could have killed him. Even if he didn't, a taser can cause cardiac arrhythmias up to and including pulseless Vtach, VFib, PEA, and Asystole. (Which for those of you who do not know, will kill you if not treated and may kill you even if treated). The Police overstepped their authority as they all to frequently do.
Brandon Landuyt Brandon Landuyt Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:51:45 AM At David Williams you're a complete moron!!
Ben Belzel Ben Belzel Sunday, November 18, 2012 12:34:38 PM Alex..... The cops aren't firefighters thus they had no clue what zone he was in. He was being a Good Samaritan an he shouldn't have been tased. If anything the cops should have added to a scene already filled with much stress and emotion.
Kim Parnussie Kim Parnussie Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:17:33 PM he should have not been there in the first place he was in IDLH zone he had no ppe and if a gist of wind pick up to fuel the fire he could have been burn or killed. it does not take long for someone that is not trained to get smoke inhalation and put more firefighters at risk to rescue him. I think the cops could have handle it diffrent and what they did. but this man could have put alot of firefighters in danger, they why you call 911 and let us firefightersthat been trained to do handleall emergencys and fires.

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