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Reality Training
by Reality Training

How would you attack this car fire?

With fires in today's vehicles, it is critical to know the risks and how to protect firefighters against them

By Robert Avsec

This feature is intended to spark the sharing of ideas, information and techniques to make firefighters safer and more effective. The following video and discussion points must not be used to berate, belittle or criticize those firefighters. Rather, in the spirit of near-miss reporting, please use this feature as another teaching tool to help you better do your job. Please leave your comments below and use this material in your own department. I hope you find this Reality Training valuable; stay safe and keep learning.

Fire departments across the United States frequently respond to vehicle fires, and just like responses to fire alarm system activations, this frequency can lead to complacent behavior on the part of firefighters and officers.

Car fires involving modern automobiles — constructed of high-tech composite materials and plastics — present fires that demand that personnel are properly equipped and that sound tactics are employed. The intense heat and noxious smoke produced by these fire present significant radiant heat and inhalation risks to firefighters and civilians alike.

Discussion questions

  • What initial actions would you and your personnel take if you responded to a similar incident?
  • Are there a life-safety hazards in this scenario? If so, how would you and your personnel address those hazards?
  • What are the safety hazards that firefighters must be conscious of when approaching and extinguishing a fire in today's automobiles?
  • Is there a legitimate exposure threat?



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Robert F Callahan Robert F Callahan Monday, May 12, 2014 1:56:35 PM 2 members in the jumpseat and no SCBA? Sorry but that's an issue. Vehicle fires have the same exact toxins as structure fires. There simply is zero excuse for members operating in the hot zone at a vehicle fire without SCBA. None.
Chip Kramer Chip Kramer Monday, May 12, 2014 1:57:59 PM Where is his SCBA? Firefighter safety is the most important
Brad Pike Sr. Brad Pike Sr. Monday, May 12, 2014 2:36:00 PM Bottle up, check for occupants, and don't push the fire towards the structure.
Robert Curran Robert Curran Monday, May 12, 2014 2:43:24 PM Wow. Only one FF on SCBA, no tools at the ready, then both FF do overhaul without SCBA (takes away all the credit for him being on SCBA in the first place). Agree with previous post: no reason to risk permanent damage for a stupid car fire.
David Jobes David Jobes Monday, May 12, 2014 2:44:31 PM Funny, we just had this same situation happen our last tour (5/8/14). An old WAWA (now called PANTRY), and the automobile was in the same exact location w/ engine compartment burning. It may also be on YOUTUBE, cause' there were many bystanders filming us. I'm lucky to have a driver that thinks on the same lines as I do, so I don't have to say a word about placement, watersupply, etc... Anyhow, Apparatus placement-Up hill, up wind, min 50 ft away. (Prefer 100 ft, but in urban settings or busy roadways nearby, it may be hard to do). Burning cars can roll into apparatus & manpower situated downhill. Also, ruptured fuel lines/burn gas spreads downhill. This also sets up the crew to attack from the upwind side. Call for a "structure assignment/Fill out the box", due to the exposure problem. All FF in full PPE...Too much can go wrong quick (burning fuel, magnesium burning, toxic smoke, jagged metal, gas/nitrogen pressure struts,etc...). Evacuate the store, & the parking lot (if feasible/safe). In this video, just like our assignment the parking lot was already empty. 1-3/4" hoseline w/ Fog nozzle from upwind. Put the hose stream at a narrow fog, but not straight. Bleed the air before begining supression. From a safe distance, but within the reach of the hose stream, slowly work the hoseline from the driver side front corner and get between the fire and the exposure, pushing the smoke, heat, & flame away from the WAWA. If the hood is closed, take out a headlight with an axe or halligan, and direct the hosestream into the opening. Try to open the hood. If you can't open the hood, make a triangle hole in the hood with an axe (3-cuts/swings). Once safe to do so, open the hood by manually pulling the release cable behind the front grill (not in the passenger compartment). If you grab the cable and give it a quick yank, it will release the lock. Work the hoseline toward the passenger compartment and spray under the dashboard. Don't forget to sweep the stream under the car too. Once it is safe to reach ino the car, shut the ignition off and pull the keys out (if still on) so the fuel pump and other electrical components are off. Only reach over or under the steering wheel for the ignition keys, so you don't get hit by the airbag if it goes off. Jam the car in PARK gear so it doesn't roll. Open the trunk too...even if the fire is not at the rear of the vehicle. If you don't have the keys, the pointed end of the halligan on the lock, and a quick hit wth the flat-head will do. You may find gasoline cans, propane tanks, or even a person in there. Criminal action is a possibility &/or why the vehicle was burning to begin with. Check inside the WAWA for smoke & extension, using your 5-senses and a TIC. Don't be afraid to pull a couple of drop-ceiling tiles and stick your head AND THE TIC up in there! Even monitor for C.O. build-up in the ceiling. Call PD and a tow truck. Health inspector to the scene if smoke entered the structure (due to food products being sold) Stand-by for "flare-ups", until the car is on the tow truck/removed from the property.
Steve Sporleder Steve Sporleder Monday, May 12, 2014 2:55:40 PM This should have been a structure response because of the exposures. Placement of attack lines needed to be between the fire and the building. Fight the fire where it is going, not where it has been. Lack of BA's. The guy with Chief Command on his coat needs three days on the beach!
Kenny Pittman Kenny Pittman Monday, May 12, 2014 3:05:11 PM This is how Brad Pike Sr.! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvrRx-3eUE
Dakota Clark Dakota Clark Monday, May 12, 2014 10:46:38 PM I agree with Steve. It looks like it took a very long time to get water on the fire. There should have been a direct frontal attack, between the car and the building. Everyone should have had a BA, but, it took a long time to get those on and working. It took a long time to get the hose charged. I believe there should have been two hoses.
Lee F. Snelbaker Snelbaker Lee F. Snelbaker Snelbaker Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:45:39 AM There are so many mistakes, from where the engine stopped to the attack of the fire. The firefighter with the scba on had no idea as to how to attack the fire. They need to go back to square one, TRAINING an more TRAINING.
Chuck Hoover Chuck Hoover Tuesday, May 13, 2014 2:28:44 PM Just a CAR FIRE, same thing every time, NOT. Every fire is a learning event and I hope Eng. 28 learned something today. We all have our BAD days, just make sure you go home SAFE that day...
Brian Franklin Brian Franklin Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:16:21 PM Only one scba? Really??? BTW wheres the foam?
Jack Klein Jack Klein Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:46:50 PM Can you say dumb and dumber...
Leanne Thomas Leanne Thomas Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:15:49 PM In their defense, most firemen would pass up the vehicle, go into wawa to buy some tea and cigarettes, then proceed to attack the fire.
Jack Klein Jack Klein Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:24:45 PM Leanne Thomas I drink coffee.
Taylor Zarewicz Taylor Zarewicz Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:22:17 PM First off if I have command of my crew, nozzleman and backup are wearing SCBA's and face pieces, end of story there. I also don't believe there is a life safety hazard here however there is an exposure threat. Do not get on a handline for a fire if your not wearing your PPE properly. How are we going to help others if we have to help ourselves.
John Souza John Souza Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:33:03 PM First thing I would get a fitness program set up for my firemen, the life they save may be their own...
Rob Paul Rob Paul Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:07:59 PM Get a couple of junk cars and before the next car fire , TRAIN THESE VERY LUCKY FIREMEN before they kill themselves for real Rob Paul, Chief , ret.
Hank Bray Hank Bray Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:45:11 PM To many mistakes to count. Command was a issue no scuba walked in caustic smoke one hand line walked in front of such. Should I keep going
Rick Lagtag Rick Lagtag Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:53:19 AM DOES THE TERM BREATHING APPARATUS MEAN ANYTHING
Wendy Ella May Wendy Ella May Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:51:09 PM At 2:00 min into the video a firefighter without SCBA enters the smoke covers him. Poor safety and no cover of the building like Steve said Also have to say was not there do not department or sop's but the chief looks like they did not set up command and this was a one engine response to 4:12 min into the video. Just poor firefighting no one was safety driven at the car fire thank god it did not go south on them.
Nathaniel Schock Nathaniel Schock Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:51:24 PM Step 1, put on SCBA
Steve Plympton Jr. Steve Plympton Jr. Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:51:50 PM The greatest lesson an OLD firefighter can teach a YOUNG firefighter is how to become an OLD firefighter...These old guys are teaching the young guys how to become the "guest of honor" at a firefighter's funeral!
Mike Jernander Mike Jernander Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:04:42 PM I would've checked for life safety hazards and attacked from the side just like these firefighters did. Only stayed back about 25 feet. I would've had a direct and indirect attack on the vehicle My problems are the firefighters should always have SCBA's when fighting a vehicle fire and apparatus placement. I have always been instructed to, and still, stay away from the front of the vehicle. The structure is fine, it's outside. To me the fire is not getting to the point where I would be concerned about the building. I disagree with "pushing it" towards the structure.
Patrick Burke Patrick Burke Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:07:36 PM I learned to wear scba the hard way on car fires. Puking for 2 hrs non-stop after will do that. Wear your scba the car is totaled anyway.
Ben Coats Ben Coats Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:15:33 PM 1. SCBA for the whole crew 2. attack from the front of the car not push the fire toward exposure 3. retrain that crew!!
Tobias Yoder Tobias Yoder Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:26:25 PM I wouldn't be downwind of it first of all.
Don Nizinski Don Nizinski Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:30:22 PM Foam and sure as hell wouldn't do it without SCBA.
James E Glass James E Glass Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:43:27 PM frist off everyone fighting the fire should have in air-pacs . 3 lines should have been pull. One as water curtin 2nd to the fire 3 rd as a back up line . more than one truck on the scene
James E Glass James E Glass Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:46:30 PM and another dont have tunnel vision
Paul Anderson Paul Anderson Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:10:05 PM #1-SCBA, or lack there of. #2-No foam. #3-Possibly/probably should have had a second line ready due to how close the car is to the building. #4- Attacked from the wrong direction. Both down wind and the car was between the crew and the building (see #3)
Lorna Reich-Davis Lorna Reich-Davis Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:10:39 PM I have yet to have any training. However, I see a few things that should have been handled differently. 1) The rig seemed to have stopped to close for safety, besides not hearing any sirens while mobile. 2) Everyone should have had full PPE and SCBA on. My department requires that FFs are wearing full PPE when leaving the station on calls, until cleared to remove certain items at the scene. 3) A side attack from upwind and slightly forward would have been ideal to push the flame away from the building, yet not towards the fuel tank. 4) No one checked to see if there was an occupant or anyone in front of the vehicle before attacking the fire. 5) Shouldn't foam be used when a vehicle is involved? 6) To be right on top of the fire or downwind with no SCBA and mask puts the FF at risk of inhaling toxic fumes.
Curtis St John Curtis St John Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:17:18 PM 1st FF should have been ready when he got off the truck. Too much time wasted getting his mask on. 2nd FF should have been in SCBA. Line placement between the fire and the exposure. The car is already totaled.
Dave Christie Dave Christie Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:18:24 PM both guys should have ba PPE
Thomas Hoctor Thomas Hoctor Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:38:01 PM First, engine was to close and should have been up wind. Second, only the right front seat got out with an SCBA on his back? Nothing like being ready!! Third, I was taught save life, protect exposures, save property!!! Line should have attacked upwind and pushed fire away from the exposure!! Using the wind lets you see the fire. Wow!!!
Steven Heim Steven Heim Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:11:11 PM 1. En route check pre fire plan for exterior LPG storage. 2. Ensure placement of apparatus. 360 check on exposure and occupancy of vehicle. 3. Attack from windward side and if enough manpower deploy line between fire and structure. 4. Control people leaving the store. 5. Everyone in SCBA. Extingush. 6. Mop up. Since not a total loss assist vehicle owner in retrieving belongings before towed. 7. EVERYONE GOES HOME.
Dave Hanel Dave Hanel Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:04:06 PM Need to have SCBA on the right way. They need to go back to school
John Bussell John Bussell Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:10:36 PM If I did that I'd be on suspension or probably fired! They didn't come off the truck ready to work except one half assed, SCBA mask and SCBA pack impoperly put on. Took to long to get the line charged ad water on the car. No tools right off the bat. Mr. big shot with no SCBA helping attack the fire,they wasted time getting into the engine compartment, plus they could of easily forced a bigger opening into the engine compartment. They need to do the job like their ass depends on it because it does.
Brett Conner Brett Conner Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:23:49 PM Ben Coats SCBA's are expensive and not every department can afford them.
Steve Loftness Steve Loftness Saturday, May 17, 2014 4:41:26 PM 1. Vehicle placement wrong. Upwind, not down hill. Vehicle could roll. Burning fluids flow down hill towards Engine. 2. Have BA on and ready on arrival. Fully. No belt dangeling. 3. Attack from up wind. Not down wind. Also between vehicle and structure. 4. DO NOT join attack unless fully protected!
Mark Voges Mark Voges Saturday, May 17, 2014 5:58:51 PM Staging the apparatus was a no, no, Fat man needs to lose weight, so his SCBA will fit, second man needed an SCBA, they needed to actually hit the seat of the fire right off, and not push it toward the exposure.
Jeff Bennett Jeff Bennett Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:10:28 PM Attack from uphill, upwind. SCBA is not an option, mandatory. Pull two lines, one for the vehicle, one for the exposure. The best way to protect an exposure is extinguish the problem. Someone commented that there were no life safety hazards here, a burning vehicle is a life safety hazard. Breath all that in, you may not die today, but that is most definitely a life safety hazard. Any type explosion that may occur here, gasoline, magnesium, batteries etc would constitute a hazard as well, not counting the existing fire. I don't fault the firefighters here at all, its the officers fault for not requiring SCBA's.
Raymond John Trueman Raymond John Trueman Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:47:12 PM i would havw sent my branchman arond to the front and worked the fire away from the building..simple. also have them stand up wind from it...
Raymond John Trueman Raymond John Trueman Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:49:01 PM on a side note.my front line firefighters would be in better shape.if you cant don the bottom strap then you shouldnt be wearing BA..
Randy Carpadus Randy Carpadus Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55:02 PM Brett Conner with the cost of that engine it looks like they can afford BA's for it...
Dick Barley Dick Barley Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:57:30 PM The so called hero walking in the smoke without an scba,down wind. The other, not able to fasten the belt on the scba, then not having the mask of the scba, looking in the car compartment. Should have attack on the windward side of the car and to the front to protect exposers. of the building. The life safety here was the burning of plastics and after the fire is out during overhaul.
Robert Blanton Robert Blanton Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:05:37 PM Up wind Driver side pushing away from building
Rob Smith Rob Smith Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:20:38 PM Brett Conner the cost of an SCBA should never be used to justify actions like this. SCBA's are essential PPE for firefighting. if you can't afford them then you shouldn't be in the business of firefighting.
Jose Antonio Lopez Sanchez Jose Antonio Lopez Sanchez Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:29:51 PM y que paso, uno solo con equipo autonomo y el otro???,
Rob Artiaco Rob Artiaco Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:31:09 PM 1. Put on scba 2. placement should be upwind. 3. should have started with sweeping under the car first 4. should not have wasted time in the car pulling the hood release (cables probably melted) 5. use pointed end of the haligan and set it in the front corner of the hood and roll the hood back to extinguish the rest of the fire.. shall I continue lol
Brady Medley Brady Medley Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:09:10 PM Full ppe scba and fight it from the front
MedTrans Servicios de Rescate MedTrans Servicios de Rescate Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:12:27 PM Trabajo a medias amigo Jose, muy mala tecnica de ataque, lo basico es llegar con el EPP, puesto ante cualquier incidente, mejor que sobre a que falte. En lo personal hubiese usado dos lineas, una con espuma el 3% y la otra para proteger la estructura. La linea de espuma te asegura la nula ignicion en caso que el estanque de combustible hubiese estado filtrando. Saludos
Pat Dockendorf Pat Dockendorf Saturday, May 17, 2014 9:45:47 PM Brett Conner if you intend to attack a fire by walking into thick smoke that may be toxic and caustic, you best don the SCBA first or you will be a former fire fighter. the cost of a SCBA is minor compared to the life of a fire fighter
Rickie Johnson Rickie Johnson Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:11:56 PM This Company needs to go back to the basic's!
James E Glass James E Glass Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:55:51 PM Brett Conner If the departments now days cant afford SCBAs with 2 $150,000 or more Trucks there is something wrong at the top of fire depart.
John 'Roc' Moore John 'Roc' Moore Sunday, May 18, 2014 4:14:29 AM NOT AT ALL LIKE THAT! EVERY ONE ON THAT TRUCK SHOULD BE SUSPENDED UNTILL INTIAL TRAINING ON FIRE SUPPRESSION AND SCBA TRAINING CAN BE CONDUCTED!!! STUPID...
Thomas A Arminio Thomas A Arminio Sunday, May 18, 2014 4:43:10 AM 1st thing is these ass holes are standing down wind of the fire. 2nd they used water on a gas fire. 3 I could have put that out with the fire extinguish i carry in my car. that was reckless and stupid.
David Bezaire David Bezaire Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:11:39 AM Three little letter PPE. Guy stretching the line no SCBA First attacker SBCA not done up properly cannot reach the tank to turn it on. CHIEF eating smoke without SCBA. (Way to lead by example) Vehicle is a right off. Cool the structure till you get a proper attack plan and EQUIPED fire fighter to deal with the vehilce.
Maria-Lisa May Dilda Maria-Lisa May Dilda Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:34:37 AM These guys need some practice. Doesn't look like they are following protocol and best practices. Only one with tank in all that smoke, fighting fire toward the building instead of away from it. Several things here don't look like these guys really know what they are doing. Lucky they got the fire out without setting the building one fire.
Aaron Newton Aaron Newton Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:39:14 AM it is in our protocols to always wear an SCBA when fighting a car fire packed up and clipped in. i noticed only one guy was packed up and not even masked up. you dont want to breathe in that shit thats in todays cars.
Einar ?or Strand Einar ?or Strand Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:51:34 AM Apart from the lack of SCBA why not use foam?
Brian Conard Brian Conard Sunday, May 18, 2014 7:05:20 AM Proper PPE to begin with you never know what is in the vehicle. Two your pushing the fire toward the building I done this for 8 years car fires you always attack from the corners and the truck is way way to close to the fire.
John Hicks John Hicks Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:39:38 AM I think it was a good knock down but the other two Fire-Fighters should have Scott Packs on the only smart one was the guy who took the Tip, from the CHIEF.
Shawn Droney Shawn Droney Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:01:34 AM Brett Conner that was a newer engine i am sure there was scba for everyone
Shayne Hoffman Shayne Hoffman Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:07:08 AM apparatus placement wrong, initial attack method wrong, only one attack-man wearing SCBA. Should have arrived an continued 50 feet passed the fire, attacked the fire from the exposure side instead of towards the exposure, only one attack man had SCBA........ I wonder where thye OIC was?
Jack Duffin Jack Duffin Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:21:07 PM I read all these comments from all the Monday morning quarterbacks and I laugh because half of them probably haven't fought anything more than a dumpster. all you superstars mind your own company and let them mind theirs. Eddington Fire co. has been and will continue to be one of the best in the Delaware valley.
Steven C Engler Steven C Engler Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:38:11 PM One guy doing it right on air, other not...and we don't pry hoods anymore, get a saw, cut from middle to side on one side then go to other side and finish cut. Keeps you away from front bumper and is more efficient in getting hood opened, its damaged by fire anyways so cutting isn't a problem.
Levi Mathew Kinnison Levi Mathew Kinnison Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:15:00 PM i agree with everything David Jobes said except the hood cutting, personally, i like to use a penetrating nozzle if we cant pop the hood.
Adam Mandel Adam Mandel Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:50:48 PM I want to know why one guy had on scba and the other dude took over w/out and yes it should has been a battalion call
David Lange David Lange Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:00:37 PM First why would you even step off the truck without your airpac on and grab a line tat wasted to much time. Second the line should be between the car and the building to protect the building.Third why did that guy go fight the car fire with no air supply' he has no idea what he is breathing in he need to go back to the academy. Fourth....if that car would have expounded both the car and the fire engine would be gone due to poor placement....wayyy to close
David Lange David Lange Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:04:43 PM Brett Conner.....if you do not have SCBA on a fire department then call someone that does. I don't know of ANY department that does not have it. The one guy had it when he got off the engine so they do have them!!!!!
Frederick Ficarra Frederick Ficarra Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:48:47 PM I see the big guy has white hat syndrome no pack
Tom Bumgardner Tom Bumgardner Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:23:42 PM in our departments we don't come off the truck without an SCBA on no matter the call. Two attack lines would have been deployed and it would have been toned as a car fire with exposures. Not sure if 911 was told there were exposures, if not, command sure should have had another box toned. Protect exposures!! The car is wasted anyway.
Josue Sanchez Josue Sanchez Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:24:42 PM Always the safety of personnel in any scene is most important, the PPE was not used properly by the second firefighter.
Scott Kennett Scott Kennett Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:37:13 PM I can't believe in this day and age we still still have John Wayne 's out there aggressively fighting car fires with out air packs!
Dan Moulton Dan Moulton Monday, May 19, 2014 2:10:15 AM Ben Coats never stand in front of a burning car
Ron Hinkley Ron Hinkley Monday, May 19, 2014 2:14:11 AM Wow, waited a long time to get one guy packed up and not even correctly, those lose straps can be a catch hazzard...other guy didn't bother. but still got into it. Only one attack line. Second engine shows up way later. Initial attack started pushing fire towards the building. Never sent any water under the vehicle to at least let it bounce up or deflect under side. Took forever to pop the hood. Vehicle placement was wrong. No one checked to see if the store was evacuated. There is a lot that should have been done. No one had irons with them. Sorry..I knew a lot of these guys a long time ago, Bucks county is a big place with a lot of resources for training...this crew needs some of that.
Shannon Lepey Shannon Lepey Monday, May 19, 2014 7:53:07 AM SCBA should have been put on before all crew got out of engine. They didn't need to park that close to car fire. You have plenty hose connections. I would have attacked fire from different direction instead of pushing it to stuctural building. They should have stayed low to ground with hose when coming up on it cause there could have been chance of explosion. There should have been two to three people on the hose. The way the hose was brought off truck was wrong, someone should have got all kinks out of hose before water got put on. Oh and 3 point turns are to be done properly getting off engine.
Chris Dilworth Chris Dilworth Monday, May 19, 2014 10:52:21 AM I hate to say it but that was embarrassing. Everyone but the driver should have been tanked up and ready to go when they got on scene. I'm not at all concerned about an exposure, because that fire should of been put out in 2 minutes or less. Also no firefighter should ever be stupid enough to fight a car fire without using a SCBA!
Kirk Ney Kirk Ney Monday, May 19, 2014 1:25:33 PM Why have someone in the officer's seat when they are not going to be an officer. They would have been better off letting their fire police handle it. Maybe the guy packed-up needs to a quick review on how to put one on. This posting could go on and on......
Dan Covey Dan Covey Monday, May 19, 2014 2:03:03 PM Didn't read everyone so if I'm redundant....The Bensalem website says they respond to incidents during the hours of 8am and 4:30pm, so this was after hours, may not have been the A team. That said volunteers should strive for the same high standards as career firefighters.
Frankie Cena Guillen Frankie Cena Guillen Monday, May 19, 2014 6:22:14 PM for me...do not go against the wind in suppressing a fire...
Russell Haner Russell Haner Saturday, May 24, 2014 5:47:52 PM Why go at it from downwind without SCBA? Seems like it would have been just as easy to set up from the other side of the car.

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