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FDNY may hire ex-cons

An anti discrimination settlement will force FDNY to consider applicants who racked up good-behavior record in prison

By FireRescue1 Staff

NEW YORK — It's a plan fire department officials say they have no control over. Yet, they may find themselves testing, and ultimately hiring, rehabilitated felons.

“It’s not something we signed up for or control. It’s something we have to abide by,” FDNY spokesman Jim Long told the New York Post.

To be considered, the felons will need to have a "certificate of good conduct" from the state parole board. One source said this rule is the result of a court-ordered ruling for the fire department to fix its racial imbalances.

The city's notice of exams for firefighters still says that convicted felons are not eligible to become New York firefighters. However, a recent notice says these applicants will be given special review, the paper reports.

One city firefighter was hired after a being convicted of attempted assault 15 years earlier. He had a certificate of good conduct, the Post reports.

NYPD says that this exception does not apply to that department.
 




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Paul Herrell Paul Herrell Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01:12 PM Under certain circumstances, I ABSOLUTELY do believe offenders of "NON VIOLENT" feloneys shoult be allowed to become firefighters, and or first responders. Tennessee needs to resend thier "no criminal recored allowed" policy. Otherwise this stops City's & Counties from hiring people who would make EXCELLANT, DEDICATED firefighters!
Richard Gillespie Richard Gillespie Monday, January 28, 2013 3:19:24 PM This idea has been tried in other cities and it just does not work no matter how much some people want it to. Good conduct in Prison is not a guaranty of good conduct upon release from Prison. The purpose of the prohibition of ex-cons from the Fire Service is not to punish the ex-con but to protect firefighters from people whose history has shown that they cannot be trusted and trust is the foundation of every activity firefighters pursue. You plant corn you get corn.
David Lamb David Lamb Monday, January 28, 2013 3:21:22 PM So are they saying they cant find enough minorities who either have no criminal record or have only been convicted of misdemeanors so now they must dive into the felon pool? Are you kidding me? If it is meant for racial balance does that mean that some groups will be hired under this statute and others will not?
Frank Jones Frank Jones Monday, January 28, 2013 3:23:39 PM Case by case basis.
Claude Kerley Claude Kerley Monday, January 28, 2013 3:50:03 PM With the responsibilities of a firefighter comes the requirements of honor and trust, without that we are no more than the less than average career. Go ahead and mess it up, I want someone who "has my back" whom I can trust with my life, that does not include a felon...
Claude Kerley Claude Kerley Monday, January 28, 2013 3:51:33 PM Name one...
Kevin R Favier Kevin R Favier Monday, January 28, 2013 4:31:58 PM I can't find a Firefighter/Paramedic job to save my life...It's been over a year and I have 20+ years of service. I guess I need to break the Law!
Andrew Shopnitz Andrew Shopnitz Monday, January 28, 2013 4:36:38 PM What a bunch of crap. Go work at taco bell
Layne Rice Layne Rice Monday, January 28, 2013 4:41:10 PM Until one saves your life, on the job or not!
Brad Phillipson Brad Phillipson Monday, January 28, 2013 4:49:17 PM This is the type of social engineering that happened in the late 1970s in California by our lustrous Governor Jerry Brown. We ended up with a "Rehabilitated Ex-Con" that stole from the volunteer fund, committed rape, and was shot breaking into a house. Good Luck New York!
Jennifer Morrison Jennifer Morrison Monday, January 28, 2013 5:15:20 PM Why not just hire some illegals while they're at it... Unbelievable.
Keith Pierce Keith Pierce Monday, January 28, 2013 6:02:24 PM F-ing brilliant.
Mike Patti Mike Patti Monday, January 28, 2013 6:12:29 PM So let me get this right; In order to "balance out the racial inequality", it is necessary...even MANDATORY that FDNY hire felons? What you are implying is that someone of a minority status who is educated and of a clean criminal record is either not interested in being a Firefighter or non-existent? C'mon, New York, I am NOT buying this......
Leroy Walcott Leroy Walcott Monday, January 28, 2013 6:50:54 PM it's a case by case basis and there are no black New York City firefighter this is only a few you go to Baltimore City half of the fire department is black you go to PG County have the fire department black you go anywhere else the fire department 75% black is something really wrong with that picture what do you think my dad was New York City firefighter how do you think I feel after taking a test 3 times and score on 100 and still not get hired
Eva Fitts Eva Fitts Monday, January 28, 2013 7:47:19 PM I get that this is in response to a lawsuit. The felons are not guaranteed a spot but apparently can expect their application will get a "special" review. I wish the same effort could be put into recruiting returning military personnel and giving them a shot.
Lisa Brining Lisa Brining Monday, January 28, 2013 7:47:57 PM i dont see the problem the State of Wa hires them all the time.., ya never know who you are working next too!!!Seriously!!!! no background checks, no firing for thing like assault, anyone can do time on a weekend or work release and we'd ever know who we have to ride in a car with(required). its just lovely.... so now i do my own checks under wa state court name search!
Kristopher Nagy Kristopher Nagy Monday, January 28, 2013 7:53:01 PM Funny NYPD does not
Steve Miller Steve Miller Monday, January 28, 2013 7:56:31 PM Paul, are you a firefighter? If so is this your career or hobby? As a career firefighter of almost 30 years, I have serious issues of having a convicted felon living in my home, the firehouse. We all have personal and dept issued property there, ripe for the taking. I want someone whom I can trust in my home. Let's not even talk about the trust the public demands from us. We go into their homes everyday. I'm sure they don't want a convicted felon in their home either. I don't care if they got a gold stator a smiley face on their conduct report. In a job where you trust your partner with your life and the public demands and expects that law abiding civil servants will show up to help them, an ex felon doesn't fit the bill. And I'm assuming in your post you meant "felonies" "rescind" "their" "record" "cities" . Lastly excellent
Mike Hughes Mike Hughes Monday, January 28, 2013 8:27:22 PM So guys like me, a certified firefighter 1, EMT and an education in fire science with a clean record are getting passed over for guys who are convicted felons. I would test for FDNY in a second if they would accept out of state candidates.
Danny Molinar Danny Molinar Monday, January 28, 2013 9:13:47 PM I have no adversity in my background yet still having a hard time finding work. I am a licensed paramedic and a fire academy grad.
Danny Molinar Danny Molinar Monday, January 28, 2013 9:15:43 PM Right there with you Kevin. 20+ years for me out here in Ca.
Brian Paul Nowell Brian Paul Nowell Monday, January 28, 2013 9:19:13 PM I am from Texas, I am/was a 15 year career Firefighter/EMT.... I was convicted of felony DWI. I was asked to resign. I served my time.... 2 years. I was a good Firefighter.... Firefighter of the year once and EMT of the year once....Never missed work or showed up under the influence. I no longer partake in alcholic beverages. Yes I messed up.... does that mean I can never be trusted again??? In my state felons can not work in a civil service job. I believe there should be acceptions for non-violent offenders..... At least on a case by case base. There are good people out there who got caught up in a bad deal.
Richard Hurtado Richard Hurtado Monday, January 28, 2013 10:06:58 PM This is wrong! No felon should ever be rewarded with a great career Like the fire dept offers. There are other jobs they can perform. This is a slap in the face to all the hard working HONEST firefighters of FDNY and those that are trying to get hired in this great profession.
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:44:32 AM @ Lisa, That hasn't been my experience. My hiring process here in Washington state was more rigorous than when I became a corrections officer for a sheriff's department in a different state. Sounds like you work for an organization who doesn't take the public's trust too seriously. Sorry to hear about your bad experience, but try not to paint with such a wide brush; it's inaccurate and unnecessarily inflammatory. Mike, I don't think this is a minority issue, although that's always my first thought when I read anything about a discrimination law-suit. I'm assuming it solely has to do with ex-cons (regardless of race) who are testing and trying to get hired. Either way, I tested with more than enough highly qualified people that there would be no need to even consider an ex-con for the job. Besides, there is too much at stake when it comes to the public's trust. Someone said maybe just consider non-violent offenders... there are plenty of opportunities for white-collar crimes in the fire department, which would be just as damaging to the public's trust as any violent crime... Thanks for the compassion, but I'll pass. Just hire the best person for the job. Period.
Holly Burton Holly Burton Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:45:14 AM Yes I think that they should be giving a second chance being that I am one myself. You all have to ask yourselves if it was you put there by she said or he said or. how much money can you pay the attorney or all these laws that conderdict. With the world going as it is today I might think about trusting some of those. felions because the home lifes are not getting it with all the school shootings. There are some good pepole in this world butt everyone over looks a ordinardy. person which could be one. I wished that I could of been a fiirefight but yet That. was just a dream because noone wants to hire a felon>.
Dan Ballard Dan Ballard Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:23:12 AM yeah but pass by people older than 35, that my friends is discrimination!
Beau Amanda Leewright Beau Amanda Leewright Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:14:42 AM These people were locked up for a reason either couldn't keep there calm in . A tense situation or chose the easy way out this is the situations we as ff and ems are in all of the time it is tense and we have to push it to the limit every day so my question is who will be blamed when they go back to there old ways it will not be the people pushing this law it will be the fd
Steven J Campbell Steven J Campbell Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:25:17 AM Rehabilitated Means ReHabilitated !! Are you trying to reinforce some personal hatred. Anyone willing to risk their life for others should be allowed to!!!
Diane Oraif Diane Oraif Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:40:30 AM Our criminal justice system is a joke, with so many people being intimidated that they just plead guilty, being told they can't beat their charges. They are given offers to plea guilty to FELONIES in exchange for not getting prison if they go to a jury trial and are convicted. It's a raw deal. That being said, many times the guy with a felony on his record is TOTALLY INNOCENT. There must be some way to balance this out. Getting a criminal charge is almost a sure way to have your life destroyed. In the USA most of the time it's Guilty even if proven innocent. I am a lawyer, by the way, so I see it happening in sheer disbelief almost every day. There are other lawyer like me who try to fight this, and stand up for our clients, but we are fighting an uphill battle are are so worn out from the odds being sooooo against our clients. Just wait until one of you are WRONGLY CONVICTED. You will see what I mean.
Diane Oraif Diane Oraif Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:41:58 AM Our criminal justice system is a joke, with so many people being intimidated that they just plead guilty, being told they can't beat their charges. They are given offers to plea guilty to FELONIES in exchange for not getting prison if they go to a jury trial and are convicted. It's a raw deal. That being said, many times the guy with a felony on his record is TOTALLY INNOCENT. There must be some way to balance this out. Getting a criminal charge is almost a sure way to have your life destroyed. In the USA most of the time it's Guilty even if proven innocent. I am a lawyer, by the way, so I see it happening in sheer disbelief almost every day. There are other lawyer like me who try to fight this, and stand up for our clients, but we are fighting an uphill battle are are so worn out from the odds being sooooo against our clients. Just wait until one of you are WRONGLY CONVICTED. You will see what I mean.
Diane Oraif Diane Oraif Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:43:52 AM BTW, Minorities get targeted for arrest far more than whites, while the rate of misbehavior is the same.
Diane Oraif Diane Oraif Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:56:54 AM http://www.lipstickalley.com/f50/study-blacks-latinos-arrested-more-than-whites-when-pulled-over-83390/ Black, Hispanic and white drivers are equally likely to be pulled over by police, but blacks and Hispanics are much more likely to be searched and arrested, a federal study
Bill Hoeft Bill Hoeft Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:18:24 AM Standards? "We don't need no stinkin' standards".
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:42:06 AM I've been clean and sober for 28 years now (it'll b 29 March 25th) I was convicted of burglary/theft (class D felony) in 1981 (yes, I was loaded) In '83 I got a DUI. Since then I've paid my debt to society and got clean, as noted earlier. In '98 I became an EMT-A and began volunteering as service work to give back to society (a form of amends), over time I increased my certification and started working as a wheelchair transport driver, then an ER tech before getting my paramedic. In 2001 I had 17 years clean and it had been 20 years since my felony conviction, when my Department took a chance on me. An EMS supervisor for the Dpt wrote me a letter of recommendation. We were in the burn building in Richmond, during my academy when the planes hit the Towers. My service record is impeccably honorable. I serve to honor my instructors and those who were willing to give me the chance to serve. I teach ALS courses and I'm a member of our HTR team. I was tasked to initiate a flood water rescue team for the department and did an exemplary job training the department awareness and operations level water rescue and safety. I am a credit to my department and ANY of you could do worse than to have me serve next to you.
Norberto Hernandez Norberto Hernandez Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:26:56 AM I agree with you Mike 100% Total BS will make a mockery of the FDNY are the Police asked to do this I think not.. N. Hernandez LT Worcester Fire Dept 29 yrs.
Jeff Gibbons Jeff Gibbons Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:30:09 PM why not hire an ex con , your government has spent multiple thousands of dollars housing them for years.and let's not forget it was all in the name of rehabilitation.so , given that they have now been rehabilitated , why not give them a chance to prove themselves because sure as shit they will have to prove themselves twice as much as as a person who is not an ex.con... giving you the best of the best.i think everyone deserves a shot.
Frank Streany Frank Streany Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:33:27 PM WHo is running the Justice system a Felon! I was taken out of the test in 1978 becuase I was too white now I have to commit a felon!
Mike Patti Mike Patti Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:40:32 PM I Keep hearing this about how it's about minorities being targeted. Show me the stats. I see the activity every day.

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