NEW YORK — Photo shows an aerial unit's outrigger going straight through a NYPD car while firefighters respond to a fire.
Statter911 says that the FDNY Ladder 45 truck was responding to reports of people hanging and was using an aerial to retrieve them when apparently a NYPD car from the 33rd precinct may have been too close to the scene.
The photo does beg a few questions, such as how stable would the tower be with one of its outriggers planted in the back seat of a sedan? And, what would you give to be a fly on the wall when this incident is discussed at city hall?
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Alex PrinceWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:31:38 AMWhat's up with this? I can understand half of my class doing this because they didn't want to be there. But these are the professionals. How do you put an outrigger through a police car?
Brian HoweWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:31:39 AMcars can be replaced lives can't.
Brian WlodawskiWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:31:49 AMAs long as you're not working with the aerial on that side of the apparatus you should be fine. Its just like short jacking.
Everette TaylorWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:42:43 AMIf lives were saved because seconds counted then damn a car at any price. Frankly, a cop of all people should know better. If life safety had not been an issue then by all means, take time to find the cop so he could move his cruiser.
Howard CarrWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55:34 AMRisk a lot to save a lot, risk a little to save a little or nothing. With folks hanging out windows, it ain't a question if IF we should do it, just do it. It appears the truckies did their job and everyone will be OK. I agree with Brian, the cost of the repairs to the patrol car is far less than the cost of even one life.
Todd AthertonWednesday, January 23, 2013 11:58:13 AMHow do you put and outrigger through a car?????
Can you stretch the ladder out once it extended to the max??
Tim FreemanWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:00:04 PMEasy you push the button
Travis AlleeWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:00:19 PMYou have to do what you have to do. A lot of our PD pulls on scene in front of a house or building and then leaves their vehicle unattended. So at that point they probably didn't have a choice. Been tempted many times to push Cop cars with a pumper but like this a lot better.
Richard SpeakmanWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:01:32 PMthat's awsome it serves him right for parking his car there you guys are making us proud.
Pat MartinsonWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:06:34 PMHEED anouther COP car for other side to even it up.
Steven FeszchakWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:15:19 PMThe weight diference alone tells all. The truck will crush the car, seat, and floor right to the pavement. Plenty sturdy. As for city hall. Whats is in nowadays $40 k for a car another $20k in equipment. Pocket change for NYC
Dan CarlsonWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:37:18 PMcorrect to weight transfer from that outrigger will push the car and anything in between to the ground its on a solid surface.
Jennifer Heckard KordellWednesday, January 23, 2013 12:48:16 PMThe car can bereplaced, but emergancy equipement should be able to set up without a police car in the way.
Tim YannacconeWednesday, January 23, 2013 2:04:58 PMLadders don't stretch. If the cop couldn't be found and the truck needed to be in that spot, you do what you have to. A life for a cop car sounds like a trade I'd take any day of the week.
Jodi PcoWednesday, January 23, 2013 2:20:34 PMUnderstand the need for 200 feet behind now paint that on the side too!
Mike RileyWednesday, January 23, 2013 3:37:15 PMAnd twice on Sunday!
Paul ScheweneWednesday, January 23, 2013 3:40:04 PMEasy... when lives hang in the balance... you don't have all day to hunt down the cop on a scene that's not getting any better with time.
The cop put the car where it doesn't belong on a scene... where it can get in the way of firefighting apparatus. Police cars are a WASTE OF REAL ESTATE on an emergency scene, and should be set further back from the area, to SECURE the scene area, and provide the fire department the room they need to work safely and efficiently.
Accomplishing the mission, takes precedence over manners and civility on an emergency scene. You can smooth over ruffled feathers later... but if someone gets hurt or killed because you delayed things to 'be nice'... you can't undo that terrible outcome.
So let's talk about professionalism and what it is. Professionalism isn't this happy 'I'm okay, you're okay, let's all sit around the campfire singing' bullshit.
Professionalism is keeping your priorities in order, and doing the right thing.
And in this case, the right thing was to put the lives of people in immediate distress, above the concerns of property damage.
I'd have given the command to drop those outriggers and get to business immediately, and did so without remorse. It sucks to have to make a call like that... but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do, and worry about the paperwork later.
Jim HaydenWednesday, January 23, 2013 4:22:05 PMPocket change and no law suit..
Alan CaseyWednesday, January 23, 2013 5:07:10 PMhow much hose did that car have on it or how big of a ladder did it have sorry but that officer has to account for its placement police are helpful on scenes but they need to know in what jobs on scene not in the hot zone $$.
Brian GaleWednesday, January 23, 2013 5:08:05 PMDumb cop !!
Even dumber Engineer !!
Ric SmithWednesday, January 23, 2013 5:54:54 PMStrong work Brother!
Theresa KoskiWednesday, January 23, 2013 6:03:53 PMFirst off.. bwahahahaha! That's awesome! I've always wanted to do that! Seriously now... the cop should have known better to move the cruiser or frankly not park there in the first place, I completely agree with Steven & Brian with the short jacking and weight transfer. A cruiser or car will always be sacrificed in the face of saving someone's life.
Larry WilliamsWednesday, January 23, 2013 6:22:03 PMI'm sorry, I have to laugh at it, I wonder if that left a stain on the officers seat... lol
There's a big sign on the fire truck, that clearly states,
"STAY BACK 200 FEET".
it's a safety thing, it goes for everyone, yep, them too...
Michael S ShenemanWednesday, January 23, 2013 6:49:57 PMDoing traffic control to close to a Large Commercial Fire//////////////// LOL.
Rick HartleyWednesday, January 23, 2013 6:55:04 PMThat's definitely something I would do!
Nelson RomanThursday, January 24, 2013 8:00:14 AMI'm surprised that this hasn't happened in my city yet watch out KPD. LOL
Bob ChildThursday, January 24, 2013 9:12:32 AMalthough it is rather funny, but how does it happen when you are following SOP on set up. On our ladder, controls at the back and operator should be able to see when extending. What if someone was standing there.Safety shoud always come first.
Steve KadyThursday, January 24, 2013 9:25:39 AMI have never figured out why cops think they can park wherever they want to. It doesn't make any difference if it is at a fire or shooting or whatever. They park where they want to! Somedays you gotta do what you gotta do.
Ed HartThursday, January 24, 2013 9:32:23 AMThey practice taking up 2 lanes instead of 1...That way we can't get live trucks and news cars to the scene....lol.
Alex PrinceThursday, January 24, 2013 9:47:14 AMIf I still had my Cadillac Fleetwood that was nothing but trouble, I would. :)
Edward M. ViolettThursday, January 24, 2013 11:33:37 AMNow they will want to put Warning signs on the Outriggers warning of crush injury. Maybe if the Police would not park in front of the fire building that would help.
Steve KimkerThursday, January 24, 2013 2:40:48 PMFrom what I have read from various posts and two who claim to be on the scene.
1. people were in need of rescue.
2. Aerial had to be set up there due to other traffic and reaching the building.
3. They knew the car was there and could not find the police officer, car was cleared.
for passengers. Just what I've heard no personal knowledge.
James E VillantiThursday, January 24, 2013 2:59:14 PMPD always looking for medals even when what they do is totally wrong.
Robert WilloughbyThursday, January 24, 2013 4:09:35 PMMy problem is all the positive coments from the fire side that this "is great" "wish I could do it" etc. then the same people wonder why the police don't show up I can imagine the officers response and comments in the police precinct. Every action has a reaction and I don't imagine the officers took this well. I Know the officers in that precinct know how critical it was to run the outrigger into the car. Who suffered the tax payer that has to pay for the car, the inspection of the ladder and the continued fire police animosity NO WINNERS
Steve KimkerThursday, January 24, 2013 4:47:32 PMNo sir lots of paperwork and costs hopefully they were able to effect their rescues and help in suppression to at least aid in the justification of actions. Glad I don't have to justify this one. Too many variables to try to armchair quarterback!!!
Chajka C KevinThursday, January 24, 2013 11:27:20 PMeither that or breaking the windows and putting the 4in hose through the car.
Kevin McGovernFriday, January 25, 2013 5:29:37 AMPolice were on the scene first and inside the building evacuating occupants.
Kevin McGovernFriday, January 25, 2013 5:32:18 AMIf someone were in the back seat? Wouldn't the firefighter be responsible?
Dean HollowayFriday, January 25, 2013 2:20:32 PMNew York or where ever the police do the same at a fire scene.
Sheila RyanFriday, January 25, 2013 5:12:44 PMno one is winning but the cop should've used his knowledge they know better than to park in the way....they don't have the tools nor the water to be saving lives and its not smart of them to run into burning buildings without the right training or equipment i understand they are trying to be heroic but let the firefighters do there job and stay out of the way and if they couldn't find the cop oh well gotta do what you gotta do thats like someone parking in a fire lane...your risk it when you park there and will suffer the consequences of being towed or worse..... firefighters cant wait and search for a cop when they have peoples lives at risk and for the people saying what if someone is in the backseat...well i don't think a cop should be stopping at a fire if they have someone in custody..... i don't think either side wins from it but i do find it funny
Donald HortonSunday, January 27, 2013 4:14:31 PMSituational awareness!
Torch OnepercenterMonday, January 28, 2013 12:43:32 AMThat's GREAT! I ran LDH through a Jag once who was parked IFO a hydrant on LI but I think that's better! SUX for the cops!
Bryan SinclairTuesday, January 29, 2013 8:10:42 AMnow I'm sure theirs a really good reason why that squad took the front of the building....